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		<title>$GRPN Groupon IPO up 50% what a steal!  Of foolish investor capital, that is&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 15:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alexander P Morris]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(TheMarketTicker) &#8220;Like paper coupons a Groupon has a &#8216;use by&#8217; date. They&#8217;re attempting to leverage social media to &#8216;widely distribute&#8217; the Groupons to consumers, and for this they get a piece of the action. The merchant effectively pays a &#8216;vig&#8217; to Groupon for running the distribution system and collecting the money; once a Groupon is [&#8230;]]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.vlogolution.com/hot/2011-11-04-grpn-groupon-ipo-up-50-what-a-steal-of-foolish-investor-capital-that-is/" target="_new" title="View Full Post and Related Links!"><img src="http://www.vlogolution.com/vthumbs/thumb-oink-2.png" title="View Full Post and Related Links!" align="left" width="100" height="60" border=0><img src="http://www.vlogolution.com/images/spacer.gif" align="left" width="10" height="60" border=0></a><p>(TheMarketTicker) &#8220;Like paper coupons a Groupon has a &#8216;use by&#8217; date.  They&#8217;re attempting to leverage social media to &#8216;widely distribute&#8217; the Groupons to consumers, and for this they get a piece of the action.  The merchant effectively pays a &#8216;vig&#8217; to Groupon for running the distribution system and collecting the money; once a Groupon is redeemed the merchant gets the paid price less a discount.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You, the merchant, are selling a &#8220;regular&#8221; $40 product or service for $20.  But in fact it&#8217;s not $20; Groupon takes a piece of the &#8216;sale price&#8217; of $20 as well, so you might receive $18.  And you receive it late: The consumer buys the Groupon from Groupon.  This goes to Groupon&#8217;s balance sheet as &#8216;cash&#8217; and the payment to the merchant is an accrued liability.  <strong>The merchant gets paid only when the groupons are redeemed</strong>.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;<strong>Essentially Groupon &#8216;lives&#8217; on the float.</strong> .. the firm is surviving on two things, neither of which is likely to continue: 1. <strong>Non-redemption</strong> &#8211; the consumer buys and then doesn&#8217;t use.  2. <strong>Delays in payment</strong> &#8211; Groupon &#8216;aggregates&#8217; these coupons and pays merchants when the aggregation reaches a given level.  They have the use of the money in the meantime.  That&#8217;s <strong>nice for them, not so nice for the merchant <em>who just delivered a good or service they didn&#8217;t get paid for in the present tense!</em></strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t like this one bit as a prospective merchant &#8211; especially the second.  .. As a consumer I&#8217;ll buy a $20 pizza for $10 (one of the deals being offered right now in my area.)  But the entire reason I&#8217;ll go to that pizza place is that the pizza is $10 &#8212; at $20 I&#8217;m not a customer!  <strong>In this particular case the merchant gets nothing for their trouble except a guaranteed loss and delayed payment!  It&#8217;s not a &#8216;loss leader&#8217; as I won&#8217;t come back without the discount, it&#8217;s a loss maker.</strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t see the business case for this company as I don&#8217;t see the sell-through on a consistent, forward basis.  Consumers will always take something for free: The store willing to give away steak will give away every piece of it they have!  <strong>That&#8217;s not the question: Will the people then come back and pay full price for the second slab of meat?</strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>Full Story: <a href="http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2769945" target="_new">Groupon: Another Pets.Com (TheMarketTicker)</a></p>
<p>Groupon isn&#8217;t even profitable, though losses &#8220;appear&#8221; to be narrowing. It posted a net loss of $10.6 million in the third quarter, compared with a net loss of $101.2 million in the second quarter.  And for the short period of time the stock was trading north of $30/share, the company was being valued above $19 BILLION.  Even if they earned $100 Million next year, that would be about equivalent to receiving 1/2% annual interest that you can&#8217;t collect for all the risk incurred.  And people wonder why they lose money investing&#8230;  Well, it should at least make for some &#8220;fun&#8221; bubbley chatter at the next cocktail party.</p>
<p>Anyway, back to watching investors play hot potato with <strong>$GRPN</strong>.</p>
<p>First day of trading UPDATE:</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.vlogolution.com/images/grpn-20111104-ipo-first-day-trading.gif" target="_new"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://www.vlogolution.com/images/grpn-20111104-ipo-first-day-trading.gif" alt="" width="500" /></a></p>
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